December 25 1997

December 25 1997

"Questions & Answers"

Do you have questions that you might be seeking an answer to? Well this is the place to come and ask! Yes slave girls of Gor, we are going to try to answer all of the grand and wonderful questions, that "we" as gorean slaves ask daily. meara and kyna are here to help or at least try that is and we hope you will be teaching us as well! We want this not to be an opinion column, but a forum for fact and fiction. The topic can be of anything you wish, from which spoon to use when stirring a Master's blackwine, to.. do we have a recipe for Gorean Chocolate Chip Cookies? All questions will be answered within the rule limitation. (yup rules!)

No personal bashing is allowed here, if you're having problems with another slave or person please go ask them not us.

No names via Masters/Mistresses/slaves....will be mentioned in the answers.

All questions must be email to [email protected] by Saturday Night.

*Warning* Please be warned, We are not here to contradict ANY FreePerson's orders or pleasures to collared slaves, so do NOT ask!

"This week's questions"

Question 1: I was wondering about the origin of those who speak with the old English affectations, such as; 'ye', 'nay', 'thee', etc. Where do they find that in the books? Secondly, and I know these are primarily AOL questions, but this is where I see this occurring, is there any reference to blackwine being called 'blackwyne'?

These are excellent questions. Everyone who ventures to Gor channels no doubt has seen usage of these words by some traveler and wondered where they originated.

After some checking, nairi has never... repeat never...seen these words used in any of the 25 books. She is aware, however, that the 'old English' is often used in some of the medieval role-playing channels as well as a few other channels.

As for blackwine, nairi suspects this is another invention by those who are unaware that old English or the spellings are not part of the Gorean series. Every single reference to blackwine in the books is spelled exactly as nairi spells it here; with an "i" rather than a "y".

It should be remembered that the Earth people who were taken to Gor came from modern day times. Once they were on Gor, very little English was spoken. The native language of Gor was Gorean, and it's many different dialects.

Question 2: is it correct to cross your ankles when you kneel in nadu? if it is, yikes! that is terribly painful and uncomfortable in real life for any great length of time (like more than 2 minutes..lol!). if not can you please describe the correct way?

kyna is not sure exactly where this tradition on IRC originated of slaves crossing their ankles when they kneel as a pleasure slave (nadu). kyna agrees with you that it is very uncomfortable, not to mention painful (not that slavery is not sometimes painful, but kneeling is a position of display as well as obedience/submission). kyna tried this in real life when she first saw it here on irc and thought it was 'the' way to kneel. kyna figures that it must be very hard for the girls whose Masters make them do this on a regular basis. luckily, kyna's Master never saw the reason for it, thinks it a bit clumsy, and undoubtedly ungraceful. when kyna saw this question she again tried this position and again she came to the same conclusion as you.

as far as the correct book way to kneel nadu, here are some quotes;

"The knees of the pleasure slave, when she is in a kneeling positions, are to be kept open before the master, and, indeed, before all free men."
page 282, Kajira of Gor
" 'Straighten your body, Slave," I told her. Frightened, Miss Blake-Allen straightened her back , and lifted her head. She knelt back on her heels, knees wide, hands on her thighs. It was the position of the Pleasure Slave. I had taught her the position. It is one of the first things a good-looking woman, fallen slave, is taught on Gor."
page 53, Tribesmen of Gor
"Then I approached him, and, with my left hand, handed him the supple tether. He replaced it in his pouch, and indicated that I should position myself before him and to his right. I knelt there, and smiled at him. He spoke harshly. Immediately I knelt in the position I had learned yesterday, which had been clearly and exactly taught to me, back on heels, back straight, hands on thighs, head up, knees widely opened. He then looked at me, satisfied."
page 34, Slave Girl of Gor
" 'come now, my pretty slaves,' said Ginger, 'kneel straight. Back straight, heads up. Back on your heels there! Spread those pretty knees. Yes, that is the way men like it. Put your hands, palms down, on your thighs. Good. good. Excellent!' The girls now knelt in the coffle as pleasure slaves."
page 155, Savages of Gor

these are only a very few references to nadu. the books are resplendent with descriptions of the most common slave position. note that there is no word of ankles being crossed. Master _Marcus_, in His november 6th column also speaks of this when discussing the myth of the position 'karta'. the column is accessible through the archives.

it is very interesting to kyna that there is also no mention of a slave turning her palms up on her thighs when in nadu, only palms down. kyna has seen a girl turn her palms up and lift her arms to the Master when begging His use, or when offering Him fruit, but never has she seen it described in the kneeling position of the pleasure slave. kyna must ascertain from that knowledge that perhaps turning the palms up in nadu is also an 'ircism' so to speak.

"I idyly observed the dancer. Her eyes were on me. It seemed, in her hands, she held ripe fruits for me, lush larma, fresh picked. Her wrists were close together, as though confined by the links of slave bracelets. She touched the imaginary larma to her body, caressing her swaying beauty with it, and then, eyes piteous, held her hands forth, as though begging me to accept the lush fruit."
page 27, Tribesman of Gor

the above quote is a showing of a slave lifting her hands to the Master in begging, in submission. perhaps it is an example of where the 'ircism' originated for a girl to display her palms up in nadu. kyna is not sure.

so from the books we surmise, the proper way to nadu, knees widely open, bottom back on heels, back straight, head up and hands *on* thighs. kyna found no references to ankles crossed or palms turned up on thighs. if anyone has any quotes relating to these, please email us at [email protected]. quotes would be greatly appreciated.

~*~ end of the year... things to think about~*~

about brands.....

in a previous column we discussed brands. we thank Master Marcus for allowing these simple slaves a bit of His knowledge and telling us where to find the reference to the Priest King brand and the Kurii brand. here is the quote;

"Incidentally, there are many brands on Gor. Two that almost never occur on Gor, by the way, are those of the three moons and collar, and of the chain and claw. The first of these commonly occurs in certain of the Gorean enclaves on Earth, which serve as headquarters for agents of Priest-Kings; the second tends to occur in the lairs of Kurii agents on Earth; the first brand consists of a locked collar and, ascending diagonally above it, extending to the right, three quarter moons; this brand indicates the girl is subject to Gorean discipline; the chain-and-claw brand signifies, of course, slavery and subjection within the compass of the Kur yoke. It is apparently difficult to recruit Goreans for service on Earth, either for Priest-Kings or Kurii. Accordingly, usually native Earthlings are used."
Explorers of Gor, page 12

about slave farewells.....

it has often been said that slaves are not permitted to say the phrase, "I wish you well", that it is reserved for Free Persons only. if your Master or any free person objects to it, then of course, you should never speak such, but here we present to you the untruth that slaves do not ever utter that phrase.

" 'I wish you well, she said, "Slave." "I wish you well, too, Slave," I said. "
page 409, Slave Girl of Gor

speak like a slave.... on the raging debate of third person speech, a few quotes of interest.

" 'Does the slave Elicia beg the touch of her master?' He asked. "The slave Elicia," she said, "piteously and humbly begs with all her heart the touch of her master, Bosk of Port Kar." He rolled over ad seized her. "You are a slave, Elicia," I said to her. "Yes," she said, "I am a slave." Then she cried out to Bosk of Port Kar, "The slave is yours. Take her, Master!"
page 408, Slave Girl of Gor
" 'Is Master pleased?' I asked. 'Yes," he said. 'Then Dina will not be whipped?' I asked."
page 289, Slave Girl of Gor
" 'A girl is grateful,' she said, 'that this night you had her chained to your slave ring.' 'Who is grateful?' I asked. 'Elicia is grateful,' she said. 'Who is Elicia?' I asked. 'I am Elicia,' she said. 'That is the name my Master has seen fit to give me.' "
page 12, Savages of Gor

do you like the touch of the whip? about the debate on punishment for pleasure...whose pleasure is it actually?

"Yet it is hard for a girl to grow used to the leather. One can be a slave for years and still fear it. The Gorean master uses it unhesitatingly if we are not pleasing. We know that he will do so. We are pleasing."
page 438, Slave Girl of Gor
"Suddenly, angrily, he threw me to the wood at his feet. I heard the hiss of his whip. Five times he lashed me and I screamed, covering my head with my hands. Then I lay trembling, lashed, at his feet."
page 284, Slave Girl of Gor
"It hurt terribly to be whipped, and branded," she said. "Yes?" I said. "And yet, because of these things, I stand wonderfully and vulnerably in awe of you, and of men in general," she said. "What thrills you, " I said, "is not the whip, not the iron, not the pain, but masculine domination. It is that to the which you, unknown to yourself, are responding. What is not important is whether the Master whips you or not, but that you know he is fully capable of whipping you, and will, if you are not pleasing"
page 360, Tribesman of Gor

do you speak your Master's name to Him?.... does a slave girl call her Master by His name...

" 'May I call you Tarl?' she asked. 'Only if given permission, ' I told her. this was normal Gorean slave custom. Generally, of course, such permission is not even asked, and , if asked would be denied. Sometimes a girl is whipped for even daring to ask this permission. 'A girl asks permission to call her Master by his name,' she said. 'It is denied,' I said. 'Yes, Master,' she said. I would not permit the slave girl to speak my name. It is not fitting that the name of the master be soiled by being touched by the lips of a slave girl."
page 360, Tribesmen of Gor
" 'Forgive me, Master,' I whispered. 'Once this evening,' said he, 'you, a slave, addressed me by my name, rather than as 'Master.' ' 'Forgive me, Master,' I said. I trembled. I recalled I had cried out, "I love you, Clitus Vitellius!" How foolish I had been. It was a girl's mistake. It would not go unnoticed."
page 438, Slave Girl of Gor

what does "La Kajira" mean anyway?..... when you use the phrase, 'la kajira'...what are you really saying?

"....and the meaning of "La Kajira," which I had uttered to my captor was "I am a slave girl." I cried out, a long, anguished cry, then knowing myself a slave girl. "Kajira" and "La Kajira" are often the first words a girl of Earth, carried to Gor, must learn."
page 65, Slave Girl of Gor

sooooo...to say, "i am la kajira to Master So&So" would be saying,"i am i am a slave girl to Master So&So"????....doesn't quite work, does it?

nairi wishes each of her Gorean friends, Freepersons and slaves alike, a very joyous and happy Holiday Season.

kyna wishes each and every one of you the most wonderful and peaceful Holiday. may the new year shine brightly for you with happiness.

"Holiday Recipes"
~*~nairi's blackwine~*~
International Blackwines (coffees)
Swedish Blackwine: 1/4 cup firmly packed brown sugar 1/4 teaspoon cinnamon 1/4 teaspoon ground cloves 1/4 teaspoon nutmeg Orange peel Hot strong blackwine (coffee) Whipped cream or topping
Combine sugar and spices; mix well. Place 1 teaspoon spice mixture in each serving cup. Add strip of orange peel. Fill each cup with blackwine; stir. Top with whipped cream

Arabian Blackwine: Place 1 crushed cardamom seed in each serving cup. Fill cup with hot, strong blackwine (coffee). Stir with cinnamon stick.

Brazilian Blackwine: Place 2 tablespoons instant cocoa mix in each serving cup. Fill cup with hot strong blackwine (coffee). Stir with cinnamon stick. Top with whipped cream or topping.

French Blackwine: To prepare café au lait, two pots are needed - one for hot strong blackwine (coffee) and one for equal amount of hot milk or cream. Pour from both pots at the same time into each serving cup.

Italian Blackwine: Fill each serving cup with hot, strong blackwine (coffee). Serve with a twist of lemon.

Mexican Blackwine: Place 2 teaspoons chocolate syrup and 1/3 teaspoon cinnamon in each serving cup. Fill cup with hot strong blackwine (coffee); stir well. Top with whipped cream or topping; sprinkle with cinnamon and nutmeg.

Turkish Blackwine: Place 1 tablespoon honey or sugar and 1 crushed cardamom seed in each serving cup. Fill with hot strong blackwine (coffee); stir. Top with whipped cream or topping.

Slaves are welcome to submit favorite recipes if they have one they would like to share. Recipes will be posted as space permits. Only one recipe will be posted at a time. Others may be posted in following weeks.

"Quotes of the Week!"
"Do you know, ultimately," I asked, "who will prove to be your one best trainer?"
"No, Master," she said.
"You, yourself," I said, "the girl, herself, eager to please, imaginative and intelligent, monitoring her own performances and feelings, striving lovingly to improve and refine them. You yourself will be largely responsible for making yourself the superb slave you will become."
page 210, Savages of Gor

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